- #453 [Kenny], 18-07-13 14:54
- #452 [Daddy^k], 18-07-13 00:26人性光輝
- #451 [Kenny], 18-07-13 00:23
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- #450 [pharm], 18-07-12 23:40泰國也泰寒酸不識時務,唔搞個酬款救災晚會都握擺番十圍八圍多謝領導。
- #449 [Daddy^k], 18-07-12 22:52各國潛水員成功後已經好快離開泰國
做返正常自己事,沒有留下爭功
例如,初時冇人知有加拿大人參與。
呢d就係英雄 - #448 [泰tai], 18-07-12 22:06#447 血濃於水 方便揾水
- #447 [Xylitol], 18-07-12 21:44『一方有難 八方發達..笑到停唔到 x3』
何止,厲害國還有:血濃於水,唔熟唔食!
最後修改時間: 2018-07-12 21:45:34 - #446 [Kenny], 18-07-12 20:05
- #445 [敗家仔], 18-07-12 19:09泰國吾算係富裕既國家,但係佢地生活態度真係無得頂
如果要衡量一個國家既精神文明程度,應該係睇佢地個廁所
就算鄉郊小店都係乾淨到你吾信,就算係九龍城泰人主理既小店都係
吾會有茶餐廳周鳩圍都係水果種環境 - #444 [一縷輕煙], 18-07-12 19:06一方有難 八方發達..笑到停唔到 x3
- #443 [Fumi], 18-07-12 19:03437x2
不能認同更多 - #442 [lym], 18-07-12 17:14
- #441 [ocisgood], 18-07-12 15:21蝗蟈一定唔會接受外國人參予救援, 更遑論比個外國醫生決定次序. 蝗蟈只會接受金錢捐助, 原因你明的!
- #440 [KS], 18-07-12 14:50這件事的發生,可見平實的國家,是以民爲本。如在蝗蟈,正如有師兄所言,報導所謂鬼國領導人如何愛民,最後抬出來是13條屍體。
- #439 [Kenny], 18-07-12 14:05From Guardian News:
Could the Thais have done this on their own?
No, and few countries could. Cave diving is a very specialised skill, and expert cave rescuers are even rarer.
Thailand was fortunate that an experienced caver Vern Unsworth has explored the Tham Luang cave complex extensively, and lives nearby.
He was on the scene the day after the boys disappeared, and suggested that the Thai government needed to invite expert divers from other countries to help.
The Thai navy divers who went down initially struggled, because both their experience and equipment were for sea diving, which is very different. They were driven out of the caves by rapidly rising flood water, and finding the boys seemed a hopeless cause.
Once foreign divers arrived, from many different countries, the Thai authorities allowed them to devise first the search, and then the enormously complex rescue. It was a huge logistical operation involving hundreds of people, building guide rope and pulley systems, putting in power and communication cables.
It is to Thailand's credit that it was organised so well, and there was no attempt to diminish the foreign contribution. - #438 [sbug], 18-07-12 14:03#434。同意!
- #437 [XsQsMe], 18-07-12 13:58我覺得成件事最功不可抹嘅應該係泰國政府,因為只有一個開明、有決斷力、以民為本嘅政府先有能力去恊調同組織咁多國嘅搜救人員,如果係劣蟈或者特狗正苦,口講唔會正痔化,但其實每件事都正痔化到低,每樣嘢都心術不正,由弱智嘅人去帶領聰明嘅人,結果相信救援人員死得比待救嘅人仲多,成日話自己點有錢,有錢但腦殘有個屁用.....。
最後修改時間: 2018-07-12 14:09:20 - #436 [AndyTKO], 18-07-12 13:43>> 呢個麻醉師真係key person,玩technical diving加埋自己本行,即係玩溝氣玩到出神入化
有智有勇有技術有體力...勁!! - #435 [Daddy^k], 18-07-12 13:35#433
Yes - #434 [敗家仔], 18-07-12 13:34呢件事係好多因素加埋先可以成功
有一種未有電腦特技之前,睇大電影既感覺,過程有驚險,有汗水,有洋蔥,好有電影感
呢個麻醉師真係key person,玩technical diving加埋自己本行,即係玩溝氣玩到出神入化
出水之後落埋藥抬出去,自己行既應該無體力,如果係厲害國,一定係xx軍一個咩住一個大特寫咁出洞,一切都係講宣傳⋯⋯救吾救到人,根本吾係佢地考慮既野 - 下一頁 (2 of 24)
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“This is madness”: A rescue diver on what it was like to save the Thai boys in the cave.
The divers searching for the boys almost gave up. Then, they had a near-perfect rescue mission.
The story of the 12 Thai soccer players and their coach who had to be rescued from a flooded cave in northern Thailand by more than a dozen international divers and Thai Navy SEALs has enthralled the world for the past 10 days.
Though a mission to bring them out through the cave at first seemed impossible, rescuers eventually came up with a scheme that involved fitting the boys with dive masks, and wrapping them on stretchers to transport them out of the cave safely.
“We are not sure if this is a miracle, a science, or what. All the thirteen Wild Boars are now out of the cave,” the Thai Navy SEALs said on their Facebook page on Tuesday after the mission was complete. The boys are currently in recovery at the Chiang Rai Prachanukroh hospital, where some are being treated for mild pneumonia.
The initial search mission to find the boys after they went missing on June 23 was almost called off because the flooded cave was so dangerous to navigate. But then the boys and their coach were found on July 2 some 2.5 miles from the cave’s mouth by a pair of British divers.
The larger search team consisted of Thai Navy SEALs and several international divers, including Ben Reymenants, 45, a Belgian who owns a diving company in Phuket, Thailand.
Reymenants’s search dives helped lay the groundwork for the rescue, and he was closely involved with the entire mission. Vox spoke to him about what it was like in the watery labyrinth with 13 lives at stake.
This conversation has been edited for length and clarity.
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We saw on the news that the kids were missing, and then I saw that the British cave rescue group had already come to the site, so I’m like, “Okay, these guys are experienced, they’re in good hands.”
But they were helped by the Royal Thai Navy SEALs, who had less cave experience. So a friend of mine who deals with these guys says, “Hey, they’re going to need support. Can you please come over and advise these guys how to actually move through these caves and fix the lines?”
Of course, I didn’t think twice. Twelve boys with their whole lives in front of them. But then when I arrived, the British cave divers had just come out the cave and they were like, “This is madness.”
When I arrived, the entrance looked like the Colorado River, but with mud and with zero visibility, so it was really pulling hand over hand.
There was this really strong outflow, and at the beginning we were advancing about maybe 100 meters a day in zero visibility, fighting the current. And then there are parts where you have to climb up, dragging all your tanks.
I turned around from one unsuccessful dive, and I took out my line and came back and I met the British who were on their way in. And then we decided, “We have to call it off, because it’s not going to happen. People will die, and we don’t even know if these kids are alive.”
We told the Navy commander. And he says, “Yes, but these are kids from Thailand. I can’t face the public and say ‘we’re calling it off.’”
So he said, “I’m going to send in my Navy SEALs and we’re going to try.”
Of course, 19-year-old SEALs ... I could be their dad. So I’m like, “Okay, the least I can do is help them try.”
Then on the third day, the [visibility improved] and the current was less strong. The Navy Seals had come back unsuccessfully; they had swum in circles and couldn’t find the passage. The British cave divers had already said, “We’re going home.”
I managed to push 200 meters of line. And they said, “Let’s work in teams, laying line.”
While one team was sleeping, the other continued, so round-the-clock. And we started advancing fast because the rain had stopped, the vis got better, the flow got less, and then we actually went really fast through the cave.
These were still dives of six to eight hours. Very, very tiring.
The difficult part was to find this T-junction [a narrow part of the cave with a very sharp turn, beyond which was the tunnel that eventually led to the boys]. We got stuck a few times, we freaked out.
And then [our team] found the T-junction, laid another 400 meters of line in the right direction, and then I think we stopped literally not even half a kilometer from the room where we thought they were, and we ran out of line,
So we had to turn around. It was very frustrating.
When we came out, the British cave divers were just coming in, and we were like, “You probably can find them. We think it’s just another 400 to 800 meters.” And so they went in right after us, and three hours later, they surfaced in the room where the kids were.
You’ve probably seen the footage.
I couldn’t believe it. Especially that there were all 13, alive and nobody injured, and their mental status as well, they were all like, “Hey, oh, we’re so happy, What day is it?” Remarkable.
Obviously the whole world ... had solutions; you have no idea the messages that I got. I pushed away a phone call, and they kept calling me and they said, “It’s the offices of Elon Musk,” and I said, “Right, is Barack Obama gonna call me next?”
But they said, “No, check your email, it’s actually us,” and it was (someone)@spaceX and I said, “Oh shit, I’m so sorry.” And they said, “We have all these solutions.”
So they were actually trying at four different levels: they were trying drilling, they were trying sonar in the forest to find alternative entrances, they were making a capsule to get them out.
One of the [rescue team’s] options was actually to teach them how to dive. But this is already pretty hard for experienced cave divers. See, the risk is if the boys panic and they pull off the mask, they drown. It’s a mile in; there’s no chance for survival.
And they were so skinny and so weak, there was no way they could have walked over all of this. So we decided to put them on a stretcher, with a full face mask, with pure oxygen on a positive pressure.
And it was quite chilly, so although they were put in wetsuits, their metabolism was so low that they were half-asleep, half-unconscious when they were brought out. So they were put immediately in quarantine and medical care. [Some reports have also claimed that the kids were sedated for the journey.]
And they’re all in good health and it’s amazing. And what I heard was that the coach did long meditation sessions [before leaving the cave] so they could calm down.
The smallest space was actually 2 feet wide, so yes, it was quite high, 60 centimeters high. And these kids are quite skinny and strapped to a stretcher.
The kids had to be literally pulled and dragged through that part. That’s also why they decided to strap them in and cover their face with a full face mask, so just in case they would panic or whatever. It’s not easy.
I stayed outside of the cave [during the rescue], since I needed to heal my hands and back. But friends of mine, the cave divers, they basically literally pulled and dragged the stretchers and handed them over [to one another]. So 24 divers were actually in the cave, and the stretchers were pulled out one-by-one and handed over to the next group, and the next group.
It was still a good two hours per kid.
By now, we knew the cave. In the beginning, we were literally looking and searching and fighting current. But now, with all the teams, by the time one team carried the stretcher about 100 meters, they got tired and could hand it over to the next team. So that’s why. It was very efficient.
Also from Camp 3, rock climbers had actually installed hooks in the roof and made a sort of cable zip line where you could attach the stretchers. It was initially installed there to haul more than 500 tanks into the cave. And the stretchers were clipped on there — they’re very light kids — and that made them come out very quickly.
But it was still only four kids a day.
I’ve been diving unofficially for about 20 years, and I became a cave instructor roughly 10 years ago. Not even 10 percent of the submerged caves on the planet have been explored. So it’s really the last frontier for mankind because no machines or animals can go in there. Only humans that are trained can go to that extent, which makes it extra special.
Luckily these cave rescues happen rarely because a lot of countries have actually put policies in place that prevent non-trained cave divers from going inside caves.
This cave ... is only visited when it’s the dry season; when it’s completely dry, people walk in there. It’s a very long cave—it’s about [5.5 miles] long.
When it’s flooded, nobody dives. There are no lines. Normally, dive caves have a full set of lines and arrows to point to the exit and safety markers in place, but this one had nothing. So it was really finding your way through with a pretty basic map.
Oh, you have no idea how many requests. Discovery, National Geographic.