討論左咁耐，似乎都未有一致結論。其實“增加”定“減小”。從另一方面考慮，不難得出結論。
弓和弦的接觸是否要令弦產生振動？有答案就解決問題。
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Mikos

我的中樂朋友好想和你面對面講下松香的實際用途，你有無興趣?你也可當面問他我有無出賣他!!

咁 係 咪 戟 0下 戟 0下 唔 電 要 攪 到 “ 順 滑 地 摩 擦 ”ar?


答 案 講 得 未 ar ?

『之前到現在﹐有邊位網友用過潤滑或lubricants這一詞呀???似乎得你一個。』


原來用『潤滑』這一詞最先的是k.c會員

原來用lubricants這一詞最先的是wajah會員


Mikos會員你認為對嗎?????????????

首先質疑Mikos的言論不是我
有數位網友所質疑的我上網尋理據甚至問朋友發覺有理據去支持


『應該是增加磨擦。

唔同松香原來都有唔同聲，最近買舊西德松香給個女用，點知呇悎v話"鐵線聲"，叫我換過另外一隻。唔知D寫手遲D會唔會話某某器材威水到連小提琴手用邊隻松香都分辨得到。
thomasc2
會員
202.xxx.xxx.162
08-11-06 18:18』

『Yes..to increase the摩擦力..
mc240
會員
202.xxx.xxx.175
08-11-06 18:37』


『"學過4年小提琴, 竟然話松香係減小磨擦?"

It must be the joke of year...
aw168
會員
59.xxx.xxx.5
08-11-06 17:53』


『你學過4年小提琴, 竟然話松香係減小磨擦?
即係有潤滑作用? 或爽身粉作用?

你試下用手指拈起二胡上拉成粉末既松香.搓下就知.
用手指抹下剛擦完松香既弓.對比同新弓(未擦過松香)既感覺.
k.c
會員
202.xxx.xxx.124
08-11-06 17:34』

哈哈有人無抽秤你講lubricants

但入左我數!

話時話, 我寫句野出黎咁多人黎抽秤, 真係榮幸. thanks.

＞＞if you dont know right or wrong, how can one challenge what you dont know???

No, everybody still can challenge my conclusion even I don't confirm it's right. Right?

wajah

in your words """當然我唔知岩唔岩, 所以我寫"我估"."""

if you dont know right or wrong, how can one challenge what you dont know???

already told you your guess can be politely described as base on bad little info so it is pointless as there is nothing to challenge

＞＞your 估 with little info may be bad info so no point to challenge.

That means you don't have adequate knowledge to challenge my conclusion.

R33是大家討論平台

發言就預左被人質疑

亞A又話他突然發言

亞G又話別有用心

自已攪個網去話事啦

clipped from internet:

"Uses

Rosin is an ingredient in printing inks, varnishes, adhesives (glues), soap, paper sizing, soda, solder, and, in past times, sealing wax.

Rosin can be used as a glazing agent in medicines and chewing gum. It is denoted by E number E915. A related glycerol ester (E445) can be used as an emulsifier in soft drinks.

In industry, rosin is the precursor to the flux used in soldering. The lead-tin solder commonly used in electronics has about 1% rosin as a flux core helping the molten metal flow and making a better connection. It's frequently seen as the burnt or clear residue around new soldering.

Rosin is also extensively used for its friction-increasing capacity. Such uses include rosining the bows of stringed instruments such as violins, violas, cellos and basses to produce sound. For this purpose, extra substances such as gold and silver are sometimes added to the rosin for extra friction and/or disputable "tone improvements".

Ballet dancers sometimes rub their shoes in powdered rosin to reduce slipping before going on stage - it was at one time used in the same way in fencing. Bull riders rub rosin on their rope and glove for additional grip. Baseball pitchers and ten-pin bowlers may have a small bag of powdered rosin nearby, to use on their throwing hand, for better control of the ball. Rock climbers, particularly still in Europe, use Rosin instead of chalk to increase the friction on their hands. The practice has fallen in disfavor in many places, especially the USA, because it is difficult to wash off, and eventually polishes the holds so smooth as to be useless (without more rosin)."""

【另外﹐我從來無講過類似松香可以“去掉”摩擦﹐我講系可以“減少”﹐所以把弓肯定仍有足夠的摩擦力。】

我無講你講過類似松香可以“去掉”摩擦


不過我堅持松香是用來增加摩擦力；而不是你講的“減少”。

【松香是肯定可以使弓發聲﹐尤其是新弓﹐是唯一的方法﹐呢一點是不須要爭論的】

我很少或從末請教你，但今次要請教你曾學4年的小提學員，為何松香是肯定可以使弓發聲﹐尤其是新弓﹐是唯一的方法?

【最後﹐to help it move smoothly on the strings﹐我睇唔到跟參加摩擦力有關係。】

咁就要問Longman字典，rosin既解釋係：
a solid slightly sticky substance that you rub on the bow of a violin etc, to help it move smoothly on the strings

devilcoach
會員
203.xxx.xxx.243
08-11-07 22:10

『之前到現在﹐有邊位網友用過潤滑或lubricants這一詞呀???

似乎得你一個。』

我首先多謝wajah教識我一個英文字lubricants


Most lubricants are sticky.
wajah
會員
78.xxx.xxx.233
08-11-08 13:53




Most lubricants are sticky.
wajah
會員
216.xxx.xxx.124
08-11-08 15:10

當然我無看過小提琴手在演奏中要猁Q香
演奏之前我也無機會看到


我有看DVD Berlin Philharmonic New Year's Gala

Gil Shaham 演奏carmen Fantsy,op.25當close up時會見到很多白色粉末飛揚及弓上有馬毛斷

依隻DVD你睇過應該有，你自己睇下。

點左名一定回應


【所以其實松香是用來減少磨擦﹐而非增加﹐情況就好像玩體操的高低鋼﹐選手如果唔查白色粉﹐隻手根本就太“絕”而無法順滑地打轉﹐因為手與鋼既摩擦太多。】


高低槓運動員手上都有一個用皮制造"護掌"不是用手掌直接和槓磨擦，所以不會『有隻手根本就太“絕”而無法順滑地打轉﹐因為手與鋼既摩擦太多』的問題。
『查白色粉』是一種防滑的碳酸鎂粉目的是增加"護掌"與槓的摩擦力防止從槓上滑下。

高低槓塗上鎂粉也是增加摩擦力
防止手在槓上打滑墮下
gryphon2004
會員
138.xxx.xxx.27
08-11-06 23:59