小弟最近想入埋黑膠坑，黑膠將會以聽 Jazz, Soul, Folks, 室樂及交響樂為主，聲音取向希望相對精準、拾訊仔細及不喜歡太厚或矇聲。 暫時睇中以下 3 款英國盤：
1. Avid Diva II
2. Michell TecnoDec
3. Nottingham Acespace
4. 其他建議

揀以上只是爬文心得，沒有機會親耳聽過，所以希望各位 c-hing 俾啲建議！我今次買盤日後唔打算換了，希望可以「一步到位」起碼玩十零廿年甚或以上 ^^!

另外，如 1 萬元左右配埋 唱臂及 MC 唱頭又有乜好選擇呢？（日後都會 MC / MM 各一； 風爐暫時未揀，諗住揀定咗盤先）
先謝謝！

Have you try pinkfish forum to get some more sharing or advice from thossoe active UK hifi lovers?

Guess it is still one of the most active hifi lover forum at UK


我相信現代做出嚟嘅唱盤只有幾百蚊嗰啲玩具唱盤先有可能聽到 比較模糊的聲音, 由於主軸及唱臂的tolerance 係超乎想像的巨大

由幾千蚊開始嘅新唱盤 都應該冇呢個問題
Parts Tolerance is actually not bad.. At around 0.08mm range

A better made may reach 0.05mm range.. For critical parts at 0.02mm range

Etc...


以上者small different, from A/b comparison will feel image 穩定性.. 音長闊度深度層次感等等 聽得出, 如果唔作ab比較可能 都唔覺得有太大分別

如果想玩一個唱盤 十幾二十年都唔換, 就要考慮這間公司會否依然存在, 以及這些零件嘅long term 穩定性

For example... AVID, Their design is based on some engineering elastic material, reasonable to question their preformance after 10 yrs

幾乎所有你講這些唱盤 extract info 都準確

AC Synchronize motor and their speed controller 可能因為種種原因有些不穩定, 希望你可以喺 pinkfish 當地用家搵到一些分享

For example a table always + 2% percent速度 偏差 如果佢嘅frustration 係平均 好多時 都唔覺有啲咩問題, w&f at0.05%

0.5% + speed, but very busy and quite not smooth oscillation

2% 唱盤一定會聽出嚟更加musical更加有節奏感.. 甚至整體表現更好


可能因為這個原因仲有人用這些 AC motor, 加入穩壓及變頻的技術應該可以做到好穩定, 這幾個型號可能AVid 好一點 佢好似用一個24V AC, 代表著 佢嘅速度控制器已經做咗穩壓及一定的變頻


如果你諗住用十幾廿年都唔換... 最穩陣嘅都係買個二手 Linn LP12

Or 睇一睇technics嘅用戶佢哋喺唱頭各樣的配搭會不會 有一些啱你口味的

Thorens does have a track record of staying within the business, 都可以睇一睇

其實唱盤去到一個基礎嘅製作精度... 平嘅貴嘅分別.. 係可以係好微小的, 所以有啲用百幾二百萬幾十萬唱盤嘅人, 佢哋依然會去享受幾千蚊嗰啲舊嘅二手盤都幾好聽,

係一個可接受嘅聲音質量以上, 佢哋都係聽到有音質 及音場等等表現嘅分別, 分別唔大, 值得與否好personal的

Have fun

睇佢轉下轉下真係好開心









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Thanks for info!

oh..forget..

Roksan is good, me and my brother love our old roksan so much

some of the newer old..seem ok too


i still keeping my ....i have it for more than 30 yrs..... i brought 2nd hand more than 30 yrs ago for £450

oh..i should take that out...haha

if price right...i love to get a Roksan TMS too


some of the new Vertere may be within your budget too ( same designer as Roksan)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114549766675?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5339017959&toolid=10049&customid=CjwKCAjwupGyBhBBEiwA0UcqaMOQVRUATEnK3rwvfNYr6-5ufj9cETGquHzQL_0d_X9plcX0YYtd4BoCVeMQAvD_BwE&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwupGyBhBBEiwA0UcqaMOQVRUATEnK3rwvfNYr6-5ufj9cETGquHzQL_0d_X9plcX0YYtd4BoCVeMQAvD_BwE



最後修改時間: 2024-05-15 18:45:53

#2
＞＞如果你諗住用十幾廿年都唔換... 最穩陣嘅都係買個二手 Linn LP12

非常同意

身為Linn LP12用家我十分同意

網上好多教學, 用家可嘗試自己去調校、換彈弓同upgrade

零件同accessories 又易買

有位玩唔介意玩中古...

我呢三個盤加埋都唔使1萬港紙..

各有特色配合唔同嘅唱頭.. And phono.. 唔同音樂 就用唔同嘅唱盤

喺少預算之下 冇乜唱盤係比較全面, 但係有地方 就可以了

買呢啲中古盤之前嘅功課就係上網唔搵佢嘅service manual... 估算一下如果壞咗電子部分 有冇零件去整等等

我起碼有十個平價唱盤... 輪流


可以有好多原因唔鍾意LP12

但係亦都好容易搵到原因愛上LP12

特定條件之下.. More is more.. Haha that why I do not goes for LP12 haha


唔怕舊又肯落手落腳 lenco 75 so good.. I love mine, from £100 就可以買到一部唔係甩皮甩骨 嘅東西去開始喇

Haha



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#7，有位之餘重要冇人鵝你至得。XD

原來我之前提個 3 款都係以 belt placement 嚟轉 RPM.. 對我來講頗為不便，睇嚟都係要考慮其他款了！

Yoyoyo walker hing

Any reason not to consider one of the obvious choice of a version of LP12?

集思廣益 haha



最後修改時間: 2024-05-16 16:58:36

Don’t like it!
Thanks for your suggestion anyway.

Yes there are quite many reasons.. People. Dislike lp12

Haha

If you prefer DD and new turntables I am afraid your choices will be limited.

Denon, Technics and Thorens are still making new DD decks and they do have reputation and track history.

I think he prefer a belt drive, but from changing from 33 to 45, he prefer electronic control but not placing the belt to different layer of pulley by hand

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#14, unfortunately, he doesn't like the idea of LP12. XD

i just take a look...what below 30000

never try that..or listen to one..

ACOUSTIC SOLID 111 METAL PRECISION TURNTABLE


https://www.analogueseduction.net/turntables/acoustic-solid-111-metal-precision-turntable.html

直接攻頂啦！

https://www.analogueseduction.net/turntables/acoustic-solid-solid-edition-precision-turntable.html



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This’s exactly what I’m looking for.. ^^!

Thanks all c-hing esp. Fotheringay!

Basically I have locked on Acoustic Solid 111 as my target up to this moment . Next step is to search the phono. For long term, I will replace the tonearm (12” maybe) and MC cartridge as well.

if you live in UK, LP12 is still the best bet because you can easily get it service or upgrade by the approved dealer or buy the parts from the sh market.

除非你每3/5年就換玩具。