- #21 [V.C], 20-06-30 10:08高質有源喇叭有能力把用家交換接聽和諧震負件的發燒搞作絲毫反影出來,喜歡多變或高要求音質音樂發燒友來講,有源喇叭係好有挑戰性的播放工具。
- #22 [zbigniew821], 20-07-01 15:06The recent generation has incorporated so many things which can't be done by conventional design. They're not like active speakers 10 years ago.
1. Bass management - cardioid or not, or even new bass management system by Genelec (differential bass management by W731)
2. High controlled directivity - the room now sounds much better with mid and high and in some design, bass (100Hz onwards) (actually the conventional speaker designers should do this but only some do, with less efforts put to this).
3. Different degrees of DSP / DRC - some offer EQ/ 'filters' (8c, Kii) in the form of parametric EQ; some integrates DRC in their product (Genelec)
This is a dream combo - I am still figuring out how to put in a domestic environment:
https://www.genelec.com/music-studio/8361a-w371a-stereo-system?address=Hong+Kong&lat=19.900316401585357&lng=113.64359999999998&zoom=6#map
This combo is expensive and gigantic. But they have smaller model to make use of the latest GLM 3.2 software (google it and see its capacity)
It's still a paradox to me why
1. people whose aim is just to listen to good music (but not enjoying experimenting how different gears make differences)
2. in many very small rooms in HK
3. with no room to do serious acoustic treatment or install active bass traps ...
3. don't make use of these active speakers which allow us to manipulate the sub-bass or even the bass region, which is the most challenging problem in HK's smallish living rooms.
The above assumes you want quality sound below 80Hz.
最後修改時間: 2020-07-01 15:06:49 - #23 [zbigniew821], 20-07-01 15:27
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- #24 [panda000], 20-07-01 15:36#22 同意師兄講法。
而我主要係簡化糸統,後來才知道有埋room correction ,空間小都可以有靚聲。
升級可以針對喇叭擺位同source就可以。 - #25 [zbigniew821], 20-07-01 16:31
- #26 [ck2007], 20-07-03 17:45IK iloud mtm 相對平易入手,Build in 自家ARC, 但沒有人手調教。可以小喇叭出到40Hz其中買點。可以去Tomlee試下。
- #27 [widepanel], 20-07-08 12:59
有源喇叭 .. 未玩過
担心內部 amp 會否有振動問題 ?
有部 amp 會否減少音箱內容積, 減少了低音 ??
請大家指教下 - #28 [lfyeung], 20-07-08 14:14會有震動的影響,所以比較高級的有源音箱是有獨立chamber和避震系統去放部AMP,目的都係減低影響。
不同的音響的設置都有其好處或壞處。小弟覺得電子分音,功放和單元的配合更重要,這部分我就交比優秀的工程師搞定, 自己專心弄好其他範疇。
我現在用 PSI Audio 三年都覺得好爽,都會掛住其他無源喇叭和功放,但自己目標係有一套好聽和準確的音響,所以繼續和這套組合相處好,聽多啲歌。
最後修改時間: 2020-07-08 14:19:13 - #29 [com-buddy], 20-07-09 15:25Active speakers...... a river of no return ! This is my hi-fi road.
Many brand that used to market studio monitors are doing AV/home use active boxes nowadays . Genelec and Dynaudio are the one. Traditionally active speakers are more popular in Europe than America brand.
For beginner or low budget, it is much easier to get above average result with active boxes. No matter the purpose for gaimg, TV; home theatre or pure audio.
Hear to believe. - #30 [claussp], 20-07-09 17:56有源喇叭發展到有 dsp, 甚至有 cardioid 發聲心形指向既特別設計,減少房間既聲音反射,好適合香港一般比較細小既既家居。
- #31 [DYreal], 20-07-10 17:34玩得有源喇叭預咗有一日會total loss,絕對唔會好似LS3/5A噉可以流芳百世。
最後修改時間: 2020-07-10 17:35:29 - #32 [hang0215], 20-07-10 18:28#31
何以見得? - #33 [tonywong], 20-07-10 18:37如果可以重新搞過
我就玩有源
省位。省錢買線。省電。無咁熱
質素有咁上下。就收貨 - #34 [DYreal], 20-07-10 18:44電子零件嘅壽命遠遠低於喇叭或者現代嗰啲喇叭單元。廠方為咗利潤更新換代比較頻密,所以我諗如果個喇叭過得一定年期都未必有原裝零件去維修。特別係嗰啲開關電源,你就算搵到替代品都未必能夠fit得返落去嗰個喇叭相關位置度。
如果放大組件被更換成其他產品,或者因為替代品令到裏面空間有變化,其實個聲效可能已經走樣。 - #35 [KHS], 20-07-10 19:06我對GENELEC 8030A 用咗八年多,一D問題都冇,越來越好聲,吾喜歡有源喇叭好多原因,覺得吾夠味道,視乎你喜歡聴音樂定聴音響,我喜歡原因是全頻平均,聲音凖確,分析力高
- #36 [hang0215], 20-07-10 19:46#34
以此logic即係所有amp,cd機...等,都因為有機會壞而唔值得買嗎? - #37 [ich], 20-07-10 19:55#36
同意觀點。任何器材用得多都會損耗。唔用都會氧化。好少聽見人買HiFi要來留芳百世。調轉換器材就有。 Amp壞了就維修;active speakers內置 amp壞了就都維修。
不過少 D 發燒友"玩" studio mixing console。 Allen & Heath mixers幾靜、聲幾好。 - #38 [DYreal], 20-07-10 20:29其實呢個係相對嘅問題,舉個例KEF LS50 wireless 佢包含咗大多數數碼輸入接口(如DAC)、DAC、Wi-Fi模組、開關電源同埋D類放大器。一體化嘅設計好處就係慳地方和簡化系統(通常市場上都冇替代底板),唔好處就係如果專用零件損壞而又冇原廠零件維修嘅話基本上係total loss。就算俾你搵到替代品,因為喇叭裏面空間非常緊密亦都唔容易俾你裝到入去。但係如果因為家居嘅問題呢個可能係不二之選。
相對分體式嚟講,如果你特別喜歡對喇叭嘅音色就算其他環節有乜損壞都唔會影響喇叭嘅表現。傳統放大器可以維修嘅機接近100%,一如有位師兄成功維修幾部舊Krell機甚至改良裏面嘅穩壓線路,皆因有足夠嘅空間。
最後修改時間: 2020-07-10 20:32:26 - #39 [fotheringay], 20-07-10 20:55
I have two aspects for this topic.
I did run a pair Spendor BC1/2 Active speaker in the past. It was used by an ex-BBC engineer and I took ownership for a peanut because people seem to prefer non-active BC1. No idea why?
I had the BC1 teamed up with different preamps and directly to a CD player and a Phono Preamp. The results were not too bad. I later disconnect the active amp and ran it as normal BC1 because I wanted to try out different power amps and check the performance.
The second part to this topic is that I also use MacKie Mixer with the BC1 Active briefly and the result isn't too bad.
I use the mixer as a source selector mainly as it allows more inputs and individual gain adjustment which is quite handy.
Recording artist seem to use only one small active speaker for sound checking purpose especially only home recording. Obviously you can have Hi-End active speakers like those from ATC and Meridian.
I think if you want simplicity and saving space active speaker may be the way to go for especially some of them sound extremely well.
BC1A Active
BC1 non-active
Mackie Mixer
Allen & Heath Mixer - #40 [hang0215], 20-07-10 21:00#38
如果你淨係講Ls50 wireless呢類有源喇叭或者某程度啱嘅,但係都有好多有源喇叭係傳統class AB amp,唔一定壞咗冇得整。而且有獨立間隔畀份amp,所以未必如你所講咁。 - 下一頁 (2 of 4)
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