- #41 [photosan], 20-11-03 21:19
- #42 [hahayanyan], 20-11-03 21:24nowaday
those European shop are quite smart "open boxed and may be inspected and sign of touched " etc......
and some "open box , inspected, no sign of touches..etc"
returned should be marked as returned... should not be marked as open box....... but who know.....haha
haha
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:27:21 - #43 [photosan], 20-11-03 21:24#40
實在太多人在出出入入了 , 真係認唔到甘多位人兄 , 何況有D疑似幾個用戶名好似不時會換下換下?
不過我諗我對於真假的概念, 在那個講Siltech 線認證的時候都已表達左 ? 還是你果時不在場?
而在我又好奇怪, 當時Siltech 線的 MR-S 兄去了什麼地方?
按理像這樣熱鬧的場合, 卻不見了人? -
- #44 [phil.ng], 20-11-03 21:26當年部部機都話可聽過世的"有影響力"hifi 書!!!
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:27:48 - #45 [photosan], 20-11-03 21:31#42 中point , 呵呵
比起其他, 果句如"open-box item may be returned good(s), could have sign(s) of inspection(s) or packing damaged, but as like-new, qualified by buyer-protection program ...."
真更是夠晒對今日呢個R33 的道德挑戰性
唔知大家又點睇?
我真係買過一把Vornado 的 open-box 風扇
個價係正價4折, 心諗都是旦求其 , 幾百蚊野壞左就笑下.
但到手時 packing, 說明書, 保養合齊又新淨 , 用左2-3年依然正常.
唔知講乜好.
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:35:34 - #46 [chaucer2018], 20-11-03 21:31#41
樓主連used vs open box定議都大做文章,HiFi 器材、配件係點用㗎?一部active器材,至少插過電線通過電,才算used吧,但樓主就認為「取出時膠紙已被拆,取出來都可以講係used」,看來樓主打算拋棄常識,從新定義一切有關HiFi 的,對嗎? - #47 [chaucer2018], 20-11-03 21:34#43
樓主使乜認人呢?認字,認真睇argument 啦。 - #48 [hahayanyan], 20-11-03 21:34haha #45 not enough
"open-box item may be returned good(s), could have sign(s) of inspection(s) or packing damaged, but as like-new, qualified by buyer-protection program ....if it is an active device , keep in mind it may be powered up beside factory"
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Vornado 的 open-box 風扇
個價係正價4折, 心諗都是旦求其 , 幾百蚊野壞左就笑下.
但到手時 packing, 說明書, 保養合齊又新淨 , 用左2-3年依然正常.
唔知講乜好.******************************
if it not marked open boxed. and enable them to sell much lower than the MRP.., the seller will violate the MRP policy...and lost all the money ...from dead inventory ga laaaaaaaaaaaaa
same trick......take out the power cord..and listed at 25% of the MRP as " incomplete unit"
btw Vornado 的 風扇 good or average?
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:39:48 - #49 [S.Cheung], 20-11-03 21:41除咗有冇插電去界定是否used item,現在有些機要用家第一次開機時用個usb 或上網install 個 firmware
- #50 [hahayanyan], 20-11-03 21:42# 49
it is used
so buyer must be careful about the return policy , there are tricky seller..their policy is returning with prefect packaging ..etc..
never ending disclaimer to be a ethical seller
"open-box item may be returned good(s), could have sign(s) of inspection(s) or packing damaged, but as like-new, qualified by buyer-protection program ....if it is an active device , keep in mind it may be powered up beside factor, or flash of software or go through a software installation process "
haha
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:45:21 - #51 [chaucer2018], 20-11-03 21:48#43
樓主,乜你自打嘴巴?
呢個post你開嘅,setting 你自己做嘅,你去叫人探討真、假,卻把真、假貨跟行、水放在同一層次。問你閣下判斷,你就話在其他post講咗,你都相當狗。
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:49:11 - #52 [photosan], 20-11-03 21:48#46
所以我都話多謝haha兄點醒左我, 呢個open box 真係仲夠火藥味. 真係好想聽下大家又點睇
ex-demo , open-box, like new, seller refurbished, static displayed....真係好多呢種condition野存在係外國
至於passive 的器材呢?
好似果個原本用去放在機頂果隻好似黑色老鼠的鋼砂豆袋呢, 佢點樣先叫used ????? - #53 [S.Cheung], 20-11-03 21:52其實在機的電源位seal 一層膠紙就知道是不是used item ,很多措施可以避免道德爭議
- #54 [photosan], 20-11-03 21:53#48
題外話
Vornado 係美國風扇的老牌子, 即是今日成日見圓圓地細細把吹好大風果D的前身
主要用來做室內空氣對流, 在唔太大的房間內係有D用.
太大的地方如大廳就要擺多少少, 我在外國有使用. - #55 [chaucer2018], 20-11-03 21:53樓主,你咁快就想轉移視線,解決咗active 器材你句statement 是否成立先啦,一樣一樣嚟,之後講passive都未遲。
「取出時膠紙已被拆,取出來都可以講係used」有冇人認同樓主呢?
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:55:06 - #56 [hahayanyan], 20-11-03 21:56i think the most critical thing
if the consumer is buying at a retail store, do they have chance to test and inspect that "open box" item before pay, and a return policy
if it is buying on line...do they have a fair return policy etc..
Oh my god..............黑色老鼠的鋼砂豆袋
i want to study them and make some to be a PIG shape...test it with different steel bleed and fine Ceramic bearing at 0.5mm
from my Morel Scale about Replica
...............i am almost down to level 9.............
oh..............
i am who i am,. but according to that scale i created......... my soul is not much better Vs than a Cheater at level 10
haha
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 22:02:07 - #57 [photosan], 20-11-03 21:57#51
甘你睇左我晒在Siltech 個post 入面講過的野未先?
如果嫌文字放在同行叫做同一層次
甘
我得閒的話分下行就會有D層次感?
還是係我一直都唔太明白令你生氣的地方?
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 21:58:30 - #58 [hahayanyan], 20-11-03 21:59#54
i brought a china copied...2 of them at home, been using it for 5 yrs.............
still strong and silient....................... never willing to buy the real one... haha so cheap i am
then i help my village...people..to buy some toooooooooo
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 22:00:56 - #59 [chaucer2018], 20-11-03 22:01
「甘你睇左我晒在Siltech 個post 入面講過的野未先? 」
樓主,廢話少講,點解要人哋透過另一個post去了解你的高見?
最後修改時間: 2020-11-03 22:09:54 - #60 [hahayanyan], 20-11-03 22:06from that 深層道德探討
from my own 1 to 10 moral scale i created to access myself...
i seem to be 9.........i will or i had copied someone idea and turn into different items.............(but not hifi related yet...will i make any hifi related item or may run a business about it... yes i likely willlllllll )
may be it is why,...i do appreciate some clone or inspired by ....items
i suppose different people appreciate different things
understood the level 1 people dislike those level 9
i do respect those level 1 people...if they are really who they are
actually it is a level 11, and 12...worst than level 10 cheat people and sell those as real.........
haha
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外國仲有一樣香港比較少見的, 叫做open-box 的貨, 係真貨,
係佢個箱被因某原因而打開左 , 可能係人地買左之後轉軑退回
於是未去到 used 的地步 , 但佢又賣到 new 的7-8折, 未及ex-demo 的5-6折, 更未到 used 的5折以下價位
問題係 open box 從某角度而言都可能係用過, 因為真係好嚴格講, 取出時膠紙已被拆, 取出來都可以講係used
但前用戶又拍心口講從未用過,
呢個7-8折, 買的係信定唔信used , 皆因可以話open box 一刻都係一種used 的種作?