- #41 [hkborn], 12-11-07 01:02
- #42 [odysseyhk], 12-11-07 01:25hkborn,
Please quote my original post instead of edit what I said and put words into my mouth.
I posted:
"The diagram is not wrong but a bit misleading that mastering engineer would simply chop the dynamics to fit in lower resolution format.
To fit in CD resolution, mastering engineer may lower the volume and try to preserve the dynamics of the record. Of course, resolution is compromised a bit."
You accused me for
"you are saying a reputable company "misleading" their customer by putting the diagram in their product and their mastering engineer "simply chop" the dynamics to fit in lower resolution format."
What you said is different from what I said and what I mean. It is clear that you mis-interpret what I said. - #43 [cat7], 12-11-07 01:35CAS能否取代CD我不管
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- #44 [cat7], 12-11-07 01:38CAS能否取代CD我才不管,但買一樣有質有內容的CD就不是CAS能取代的!
- #45 [hkborn], 12-11-07 01:44i beg your forgiveness for the wrong interpretation of your meaning.
in fact, i don't quite understand your english and the point you want to make. it's just misleading. - #46 [nukbee], 12-11-07 10:00其實無謂討論"CAS將來會否取代CD機". 正如IPOD初出時都無人諗到會有咁大影響.
好多野只可以事後孔明. 未發生講乜都無用. - #47 [lw], 12-11-07 10:54在我的音响组合,NAS早已取代了CD transport。用CD disk做数码音源,無論多好都會有error,又金版,頭版,德國版。NAS加SSD,比CD聽多好多嘢
- #48 [ABC1234], 12-11-07 10:58我深信只會3者(黑膠;CD;CAS)共存,因為唱片廠只要有錢搵絕不會握殺其中一方.有如初時CD出現,揚言黑膠會完結.另外,3者播放媒體結構不同,各有不同音色效果.CD面世三十年根基如此深厚;加上低成本回報高-CAS不能快速代替.
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Agreed x n!!! - #49 [mrbeansr], 12-11-07 12:063者(黑膠;CD (incl.SACD);CAS)共存
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Agree!
取代 (replace) 應該是像 DVD 取代 LD, 後者軟硬件都沒有廠商再製造. - #50 [stephen], 12-11-07 13:42取代與否跟本不是唱片商決定,是消費者,是你們的取向...
- #51 [raykkc], 12-11-07 14:08如果只要買到做CD那個44.1/16 master file.
已肯定可勝過CD碟了 - #52 [hkborn], 12-11-07 14:23其實CD機係CAS嘅始祖。
只不過廠商要專利化,所以以特定光碟儲存數碼音樂,以特定機器閱讀光碟,輸出訊號。
當光碟加密技術被破解成電腦檔案,大家又發覺CD機不是唯一可以播放音樂檔案的媒介,CAS 時代其實悄悄到來。
CAS的爭議,很大程度上它的冒起是來自群眾,打破種種大公司制定的標準。盜版在技術上已經沒有難度,僅靠法律和道德很難在現今社會運行。
現時大公司發展音樂下載服務,很多更是終身有效,確實將日益萎縮的音樂工業帶來一點生氣。
所以不存在CAS取代CD的問題,而是CD在數碼音樂一家獨大的情況已是大江東去。
CD有其獨特市場價值,商人一定制作精美的簽名版,黃金版,玻璃版去滿足消費者。
CD機這麼多年歷史,自然擁護者眾。但CD在地位上不能跟黑膠比。黑膠是模擬聲的高峰。CD不是數碼音樂的高峰,故只有懷舊意義,沒有技術意義。 - #53 [dlbc], 12-11-07 14:29CD機這麼多年歷史,自然擁護者眾。但CD在地位上不能跟黑膠比。黑膠是模擬聲的高峰。CD不是數碼音樂的高峰,故只有懷舊意義,沒有技術意義。
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Agree! - #54 [lochimeng], 12-11-07 14:42CD機這麼多年歷史,自然擁護者眾。但CD在地位上不能跟黑膠比。黑膠是模擬聲的高峰。CD不是數碼音樂的高峰,故只有懷舊意義,沒有技術意義。 X 3
- #55 [cpu8088], 12-11-07 14:42"""如果只要買到做CD那個44.1/16 master file."""???
studios use 24 bit depth not 16 bit - #56 [simonix], 12-11-07 14:46唱片公司真係咁筍會賣個生金蛋嘅母盤比一般用家?
- #57 [stephen], 12-11-07 14:51黑膠是模擬聲的高峰。CD不是數碼音樂的高峰,<<==
同意,除了黑膠,所有都是數碼聲,只是不同型式出現,仍然停留在CD時代,等於阻礙數聲聲音進步....另一方面,十幾年前已開始數碼錄音,很多黑膠的master也是數碼,只是播黑膠時多了一點黑膠味音染,及唱片玩味... - #58 [hkborn], 12-11-07 14:53CD機這麼多年歷史,自然擁護者眾。但CD在地位上不能跟黑膠比。黑膠是模擬聲的高峰。CD不是數碼音樂的高峰,故只有懷舊意義,沒有技術意義
補充一點,這並非說CD聲音一定不如黑膠,而是指數碼音樂的發展中,CD不是終點。
至於聲音好不好,還是看音樂水平、錄音水平,檔案規格,器材規格不一定帶來好聲音。 - #59 [hkborn], 12-11-07 15:01同意,除了黑膠,所有都是數碼聲,只是不同型式出現,仍然停留在CD時代,等於阻礙數聲聲音進步....另一方面,十幾年前已開始數碼錄音,很多黑膠的master也是數碼,只是播黑膠時多了一點黑膠味音染,及唱片玩味...
現時新的黑膠,大都由數碼錄音而來。所以最純粹的模擬聲,只能從舊黑膠找到。對黑膠新手來說,尋找舊黑膠是最大的門檻。
最後修改時間: 2012-11-07 15:03:20 - #60 [stephen], 12-11-07 15:09唱片公司真係咁筍會賣個生金蛋嘅母盤比一般用家? <<==
對,有可能不是真master,但現在多數電腦錄音,數碼化,聽音樂檔,起馬最接近原音(錄音聲音),好過轉黑膠、CD等等那麼間接,事實上,音樂檔沒有實物在手很多人也不接受的,製作CD檔案碟可解決,像AJP-爵士原音.... - 下一頁 (3 of 27)
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you are saying a reputable company "misleading" their customer by putting the diagram in their product and their mastering engineer "simply chop" the dynamics to fit in lower resolution format.
These are strong words towards their motives of publishing the diagrams and their technique/attitude of CD recording!
You need strong and objective evidence to support your "fair" comments.
As to my question, how come it's not a fair question? It's just a question, my answer to that is no. You can choose to answer or not to answer.
It seems that fairness is always on your side. Your comments are fair comments, my question is unfair question. What a logic!
In the end, i think a good recording at 16/44.1 is good enough for playback. 24/96 or even higher does not guarantee good music right away.
最後修改時間: 2012-11-07 01:22:29