- #41 [kl122002], 16-08-28 07:41
- #42 [fotheringay], 16-08-28 14:591.我覺得忽然講起呢個開卷錄音, 其實似是懷古+好奇+催化的心態作怪.
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I think you are right. It's the same like some start to buy vantage cars, Leica M film cameras or dressing like 60's
2.Reel在外國一直都仲有少眾人玩, 只是由以前60-70年代與黑膠並存的時代中漸退至第2/3線.
未用過reel 式錄音的人可能覺以前此analogue 的一定好,
只是背後果種ssss聲, 食/斷帶, 有時轉得唔好的速度問題諸等未被大家經歷而已.
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I guess every medium has its pros and cons and if the potential user doesn't do the homework to understand the need then it is his own mistake making. It happens and will happen again.
3.呢個post已可以見到少人不斷加入感情催化的文字, 令一D人覺得"不如去試下"
可能是為了準備在香港引入reel 錄音熱潮而準備吧?
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I am not sure if I agree with you, especially the commercial intent. If it is true I fear it could be a commercial suicide. - #43 [jumie], 16-08-28 22:56REVOX PR99 MK III
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- #44 [kl122002], 16-08-29 07:11#42
我唔想倒冷水, 只係想講出個事實. 因為reel真係機大, 佔地方. 仲有數之不盡的問題.
家下好少potential user 做齊功課先去玩. 大多都是即興.
現況帶少機少的情況之下, 又吹返起來做乜? 貪叫做"我玩到, 你玩唔起" ?
有人或者會某日話自已入得 "原廠母帶" 並在家中自已用reel機播....
呢個情況都真係會發生, 有D錄音收藏家就係甘做!
不過大多都是過氣舊作, 好似昔日的電台古典錄音在不少日本人/歐洲人手上. 有時出碟都要問佢地借.
不過你信圈"母帶"真係"母帶"? 經唱片公司/電台用過N次之後都仲甘好聲?
聞說內地都忽起好奇心之下吹起左reel. 唔知真定假. 呢個post又有無關係?
還是定期向電台回收舊錄音的人...家下想做生意?
還是靜觀睇下有無報紙佬講reel. 吹翻紅我都唔會玩, 又唔係未煩過. =_=# - #45 [spyder], 16-08-29 08:13呢個post 真係好有趣。
遲d會唔會玩到留声機呢?
復古,係潮流,正如好多師兄名句 "耳仔收貨", 自己中意就得,不過唔好亂up 當祕笈。 - #46 [fotheringay], 16-08-29 08:21
I see where you coming from.
You must have seen "many" within the audio world, especially how to profit from"creating" the trend.
Personally I need not worry about this because if I don't have the desire I ain't moved by the propaganda from the "stock writer" or "aggressive" promotion. Nonetheless, from a third party point of view it will be very interesting to see if your prediction would materialise one day.
I have some hard to find records which I love to hear but then it will deteriorate every time I spin it. I do archive them with digital format but since the machine is there so I also make some "tape" for my own leisure.
Here is the Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac first recording which is now couple hundreds Pounds and I really don't want to scratch it so tape is easy option.
Thanks for the sharing. - #47 [kl122002], 16-08-29 08:24#45,
會吧? gramophone是機械物理式刻蝕錄音, 重播時用鋼, 骨, 木 等唔同的唱針有好明題唔同的effect.
鋼的硬, 木的軟, (鯨魚)骨的通透聲. (仲有瓷, 但未聽過)
用horn 出, 同用全震膜 (HMV公司出過, 如Lumiere pleated diaphragm )出又唔同.
外國都仲有人玩, 但真係冷門一眾.
聽過78轉的人應知我講乜. - #48 [ordinaryman], 16-08-29 10:19Glad to see the expert has shown up.
穫益良多 ! - #49 [Fet], 16-08-29 11:14卷帶最大問題係D機返嚟多少有D毛病,要預咗執一執!???
除非買新機,帶就舊! - #50 [kl122002], 16-08-29 13:20#49
甘多年, 我估入面條橡根, 帶連轉的橡膠buffer 應氧化到七七八八? - #51 [kl122002], 16-08-29 13:34#46
真係如果細心D留意下, 香港的hifi 熱起落大多數都係甘樣.
Reel 對以前我的或者真係有D用, 因為可以將LP過落去, 甘樣只LP唔怕邊唱邊蝕.
中間調一下EQ...都算是當年的rip 碟吧?
但呢樣工夫真係已被CD取代, 事關CD只會花但好少唱蝕. - #52 [timtube], 16-08-29 22:11There seems to be a great misunderstanding on how Open Reel Recorder should be used today.
R2R can be used for 2 purposes - 1) recording and playback and 2) playback pre-recorded tapes.
For 2), there are thousands of choices at unbelievable cheap price. For the same recording, such tapes easily outperformed first press LP.
Please check out the following for choices:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Other-Formats/618/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=tape&_dcat=618&Format=Reel%252Dto%252DReel%2520Tape
For 1), you can record LP with tape or record any digital format e.g. CD, SACD and hi-res music. For digital sources, you will be surprised by how good the recorded tapes sound as compare to the source. - #53 [kl122002], 16-08-30 06:59我不反對R2R, 只是R2R是昔日黃花. 講時代, 配套都已經是昨日的事.
重玩, 或者任何方式的"重新發掘" 根本如我最早時留言, 是非常不智
不斷用少量少量的交字去潛出果種"是昔日的好東西, 只是你生不逢時而錯過了"的意思,
反而是我係呢度睇到最多.
把R2R label 成為一種"good source",
既然係good, 甘樣因為當下的digital recording成為 "excellent"?
有 "excellent" 唔用而用"good"?
最後修改時間: 2016-08-30 07:11:24 - #54 [Timtube], 16-08-30 11:24「過時」就唔玩?
「生不逢時」係大錯特錯!
以前R2R貴到阿媽唔認得,100%超級富豪玩意。
而家平過地底泥,4-track帶係黑膠幾十份一價錢,又好聲過晒。
唯一挑戰只係要揾到一架工作正常嘅機! - #55 [dragonball911], 16-08-30 12:53其實如果覺得CD夠聼, 根本冇需談論其他sources嘅好壞, 因為已經有前設,Hifi友冇儍仔, 佢要投放資源係边度, 佢自己一定有理據, 也没有对錯, 只有喜惡, 但用啲自己諗嘅論點去講有幾唔好有幾難玩, 確實難以服人! 不妨了解多些才批評
- #56 [孟波], 16-08-30 13:05有人當一門生意,製造下話題,大家毋須認真。
- #57 [kl122002], 16-08-30 13:51#54, 55
"好聲" 下一句都只係"好聲", 點好法? 好在乜地方? 清過CAS? 方便過CD/黑膠? 磁帶耐用? 定純求果種analogue口味?
無論幾多文字, 我睇來睇去都係得 "好聲"呢個講法.
我無話CD一定好, 但CD就使用上肯定好過今日搞R2R,
而且今日玩黑膠都可以好聲過R2R.
hifi 野由以前到今日都向來都係貴, 猶其係當前最新的.
equipment 只係今時今日因為被時代淘汰之後才變平. - #58 [akaigxc], 16-08-30 13:53254MM師兄,我浦頭啦,一句講完,當你玩盡光碟系統,如:CD/SACD/DVD/BLU-RAY後,你就想玩返錄音帶,錄音帶的玩法有:OPEN REEL/8-TRACKS CARTRIDGE/CASSETTE/S-VHS or ED BETA or Hi-8 or D-8/DAT/DCC,以上多種磁帶制式除D-8,DCC我未玩過外,其他全部玩過擁有過,8TR一早在1973年OUT,知道的人少!DAT由VIDEO TAPE系統衍生出來,同佢地一樣,部機壽命短及難修理,幾高級的機最後都係報廢,只剩下CASSETTE同OPEN REEL比較易處理,卡式係先天不良,即使我用到NAKAMICHI DRAGON CASSETTE DECK都係這樣講!最後只剩OPEN REEL,其實聲音唔差,以2-TRACKS 15ips錄CD,PLAY返出來效果好得哧人,不過,要玩家懂修理才可玩盡REEL的威力,等同玩車,你看日本D玩車高手絕大多數都係自己修理改裝的,文化影響所及,日本DIY音響發燒友的DIY器材,好多時都成為HI FI大廠要員取經的目標,香港沒有這個文化,識玩唔識電子的音響發燒友太多,中國大陸D音響玩家反而似足日本玩家,大多識無線電,因此,玩REEL根本不成問題!
- #59 [kl122002], 16-08-30 13:54#56,
我早在#41,44 都預左.
早前都聞說有些地方(內地?) 都慢吹起R2R, 或者想順勢吹入香港吧? - #60 [fotheringay], 16-08-30 14:33
"卷帶最大問題係D機返嚟多少有D毛病,要預咗執一執!???"
A service will be recommended if you don't know the history or even better with known faults. It looks complicated but to most engineers it is just like any other machineries, electronic and mechanical parts.
I am no electronic or mechanical expect and I don't know the difference in principle between 4 ohms to 8 ohms. I do enjoy DIY though and with the right manual in hand I don't mind having a go with simple repair.
So far all my machines had been repaired by me with minor issues, replacing the belts for the counter, replacing the electronic boards, putting new brake pad and the light bulbs for the VU meters like shown in the following video.
With information from the net and luckily ebay for most spare parts people could be able to carry out simple task. That's the fun of having the ownership, right?
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我覺得忽然講起呢個開卷錄音, 其實似是懷古+好奇+催化的心態作怪.
Reel在外國一直都仲有少眾人玩, 只是由以前60-70年代與黑膠並存的時代中漸退至第2/3線.
未用過reel 式錄音的人可能覺以前此analogue 的一定好,
只是背後果種ssss聲, 食/斷帶, 有時轉得唔好的速度問題諸等未被大家經歷而已.
呢個post已可以見到少人不斷加入感情催化的文字, 令一D人覺得"不如去試下"
可能是為了準備在香港引入reel 錄音熱潮而準備吧?