- #21 [oldmac], 12-02-23 23:59
- #22 [cpu8088], 12-02-24 07:10dont know what u are talking about
posting a message is more direct than your link to stereophile. and what does stereophile say?
when holt started stereophile the magazine was very readable. once atkinson took over the magazine degenerated into advertising for manufacturers. - #23 [孟波], 12-02-24 20:09嘻嘻!cpu8088既強項就係copy & paste,佢copy完人重可以無恥到話原作者抄佢,這(人)真係極品。
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- #24 [spyder], 12-02-25 04:34測試
- #25 [spyder], 12-02-25 05:20…八十年代的歐美產品跟日系產品有很大分別,那時一般工薪皆層以三數千元價位為入門,歐美產品以英國為主,其外觀平實,甚至老土,功能少,瓦數低,設計簡單,可以清簡到只有開關掣、音量掣及選擇掣。
而日系產品剛好相反,面版華美、功能多、按鈕多、瓦數大(一般過百瓦) 、老鳥咁大volume 掣、最型係七彩繽紛嘅閃爍LED。少年時候的我當然心儀日系產品,add Q 飛士梗係奉為神明啦!即係買唔起又日思夜想嗰隻…… - #26 [cpu8088], 12-02-25 08:36can anyone name any hong kong designed hifi products, hardware or software, that sell like hot cakes worldwide in the last 40 years?
最後修改時間: 2012-02-25 08:39:15 - #27 [spyder], 12-02-25 13:28…嗰陣時LS3/5a已經係好出名嘅喇叭仔,不過係出名大食。所以唔係好多人玩,把它接到一些數千元的日系擴音機,真係笑料,無高又無低,中音亦唔靚。就係咁,我錯過了3/5a,要十年后才於停產前買了黑檀木的3/5a,一直用到現在。原來唔係3/5仔大食,而係日本仔機虧……
- #28 [myers1], 12-02-25 15:27Talking about hifi products in the mid 80s, still remember this UK made A & R Cambridge A60 int amp. A stark contrast against those Jap hifi like Aiwa, Akai, Luxman, Mitsubishi. The showroom is in Admiralty carried by Edward Keller. Their Thorens turntable with 3 armboard is also stunning!
- #29 [myers1], 12-02-25 15:35A60 with wooden chassis.
- #30 [~!~Wallace], 12-02-25 18:20.....少年時候的我當然心儀日系產品,add Q 飛士梗係奉為神明啦!即係買唔起又日思夜想嗰隻……
少年時候的我最心儀的是 Luxman C-02 + M-02. 現在回想起來當時主要係受佢面版上一對 "發錶" 所致. - #31 [spyder], 12-02-25 21:37…後來比較同價位的英、日器材,發覺日系總是底食夾大件,外形靚規格高;但音色卻遠差英國机,號稱百多瓦的力水竟不及英國產品的四、五十瓦,大聲D便走樣,扭大volume 不是高、中、低都大聲,只有中音最大聲。
當時見到一個很型做廣告:謂驅動喇叭的不是功率而是電流。那廣告中的廣音機來自英國,竟然用塑膠外殼,灰黑色,只有別人一半的濶度,面版只有兩個小圓鈕:選擇掣跟音量。莫講話 bass, treble,連balance 掣都無,volume 與 selector 連字都唔多個,燈都無一粒。比Musical Fidelity A1更齋。
我開始研究點解分別可以咁大……
最後修改時間: 2012-02-25 21:40:20 - #32 [faimiu], 12-02-26 07:41It is a mystery as most Japan brands like to tune the sound of their gears in a way that we cannot appreciate.
If there is a chance to compare the sound of the Japan amplifiers designed and manufactured from Japan with the cheap cheap OEM amplifiers that they sold in the UK and Europe market, the latter is much more musical and is typically the "UK" sound that we enjoy. That is why some brands like Yamaha and Marantz CD players and amplifier got the "What HIFi Awards" in the low price tiers (usually in the range GBP 100 -300). It means they know how to make good gears at a cheap price, but they believe this sound is no good (at least for the Japan Market) and stick to their own way of tuning.
Yet this observation was made 15 years ago, and i suppose there might be changes in the recent years that i have not followed through. - #33 [cpu8088], 12-02-26 13:12"It is a mystery" ???
do u trust your ears? or is it a fact?
do u know what u are talking about? - #34 [faimiu], 12-02-26 14:08地球人唔同火星人傾計
- #35 [spyder], 12-02-26 15:00…原來很多英國廠家都比較傳統,造Hi-Fi 是為了重播音樂,雖是二、三千元貨式亦用靚料,省去的是對音色沒有作用的LED display 和EQ 功能,實實際際做造機。而日系產品則視之為entertainment industry ,賺錢為首要目標,只要有利銷售的都會做,於是成本大部份去了外型設計、display 、功能好數量,甚至架構布局是為了方便保養維修而非靚聲。事實上多數發燒友是用眼先用耳,曾經紅極一時的Sonic Frontier 便以黃金面版、盡用靚料再加強勁廣告(發x音響) 而成功跑出。當然,市場主導的產品不會長久。
其實不是所有日系產品都只注重外觀,只要忠於音樂重播的廠商仍然能生產出一流器材,Kondo 便是…… - #36 [ABC1234], 12-02-26 20:17小弟第一套音響是用每邊120W ONKYO A817擴音機推KEF-C45書架.但發覺只是大聲但聲音很薄很硬.後來經朋友推薦改用英國AUDIOLAB 8000B雖然每聲道只有75W但音樂感及力水完全2回事.日後不會再考慮日本擴音機了......
- #37 [spyder], 12-02-26 20:45…想談一談MF 的A1 (後來有A1x 及 A1S),它機身細小,只有二十瓦,全鋁合金機身,功率管都直接連到機頂,機頂以波浪坑紋完成,這樣,全個機箱都是散熱器,即使是A類放大也不用內置風扇,而且毋須散熱孔,減少塵埃及受潮,大型環牛,1%誤差的電阻,令它成為長青的入門機種。它的設計真是合理不過,若認為20W 是太少的話,可以選50W 的A100 。它只是放大了的A1, 外形及設計幾乎一樣。
擴音機就是要把訊號放大,其他的花考野是多餘的,只是Marketing 而已…… - #38 [~!~Wallace], 12-02-26 23:37話說 Luxman C-02 + M-02...後來,始終未儲夠錢又想早d買機,也信了 sales 的情況下,買了部 Onkyo Integra A-820RS. 我仲記得個 Sales 說它是 "兩單聲道雙火牛好似房推緊801套分体咁, Luxman 的單牛唔足 150W".(指P-3099 + M-5099, 當時去親都發現會炸 Telarc Polka, 見到801個低音會拋出來覺得好好睇).
當年, 同時期有個同事都喜歡音響, 佢原本係想買明發 NAD 3020. 他也是信了 sales 的情況下買了 MF-A1, 我重記得是HKD2,400現金. 當年資訊吸取無現在咁多方位, 又 0靚仔, 受 Sales 的影響力不少. - #39 [spyder], 12-03-04 11:55那就恭喜你朋友了,MF-A1遠比NAD 3020 優秀。
- #40 [spyder], 12-03-04 12:18…最初接觸HI-Fi 的時候,主要是聽黑膠碟,沒錢多買,便租返黎錄,七元租,都幾抵。那明用的卡式機是雅佳,GX玻璃頭,錄出黎非常好,加部只有卡式盒大小既Sony Walkman 另配 Sony 入耳式耳筒:頻應12~14kHz (唔咪好記得啦), 少咗好多時間响外面蒲,變相無咁易學壞。
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